01 November 2025

The Brain, the Mind and Relationships: Why Presence and Mindfulness Benefit All Three

How presence and mindfulness support the brain, the mind and our relationships.

Dan Siegel is a psychiatrist, neuroscientist and writer. His internationally celebrated bestseller The Developing Mind has been adopted by educational programs worldwide. He is also the author of the much-recommended The Mindful Brain and co-wrote the outstanding parenting guide Parenting from the Inside Out.

So what was this distinguished neuroscientist doing up a tree in a Melbourne park? Naturally, he was addressing hundreds of people — mostly health professionals — on his favourite topic, Interpersonal Neurobiology (IPNB). The hotel we had been in caught fire, 1500 people were evacuated, and Dan climbed a huge Moreton Bay fig to make the best of the situation.

IPNB is the label Dan uses to unite a broad range of factors relating to relationships and biological systems. He connects them through what he calls concilliance — the ability to find the common ground across a wide variety of different disciplines.

This echoes the traditional tale of the blind people asked to examine an elephant and report back. One insists he found a leg, another a tail, then a big stomach and even a trunk. Each is right, yet none has the whole story. Concilliance means gathering all the pieces into a unifying framework or paradigm — seeing the whole elephant rather than only its separate parts.

The same principle applies directly to holistic or Integrative Medicine, which seeks to consider the health, healing and wellbeing of a person’s body, emotions, mind and spirit, and which operates as a co-operative, interdisciplinary field.

Dan Siegel devoted many years to applying these principles to the study of attachment and resilience in children. His research shows that relationships are the strongest predictor of how children will turn out. And where developmental trauma impairs a child’s growth, relationships carry more weight than physical circumstances.

Dan the scientist said that relationships involve a shared flow of energy and information. (There is a sentence worth pondering! Truly. Sit down and dwell on it — it says a great deal.)

He then put a question to the audience, most of them mental health professionals. Like more than 90,000 others he has asked, 95% of our audience admitted that across all their training — as psychiatrists, counsellors, psychologists, nurses and so on — they had never had a single lecture on “the mind.” They had studied it for years, yet no one had even defined it for them. So what is it?

In 1992, Dan started a four-and-a-half-year discussion group with 40 scientists from many disciplines. Their aim? To define the mind. Nearly 20 years on, Dan still treats his definition as a work in progress. Yet after all the people he has asked over the years, no one has bettered this:

THE MIND IS DEFINED AS an embodied and relational process that regulates the flow of energy and information.

By this definition, the mind is a verb, not a noun. (Ponder that one.) And like most neuroscientists today, Dan firmly holds that the mind is not confined to the brain but involves the whole body.

He then explained that, broadly speaking, the mind moves through three states: Chaos, Integration and Rigidity. In his rather logical view, mental health means a mind that is integrated. Integration sits at the heart of health. Whatever helps you feel or act in a more integrated way is good for you — it is healing.

What happens when integration is impaired? There lies the chance to heal the chaos or the rigidity by drawing on the brain, the mind and relationships.

Dan outlined the principles of neuroplasticity — that exciting new field of neuroscience showing how our brain alters its structure and function according to how we use it. The key point? Neurones that fire together, wire together. The more we practise something, the more it builds our “mind’s muscles” and the better we get at it next time.

In the mind, integration is best supported by focusing our attention. More precisely, recent research suggests mindfulness leads to integration better than most approaches.

So for a parent, teacher, therapist, friend or lover, the most useful thing you can do in this sense is to give your full attention. Attention is the mechanism that drives the flow of energy carrying information through the neurones, stimulating activity and growth — and in doing so, leading to integration.

In this context, attention is another word for presence, and presence encourages integration. So how do you develop presence? Mindfulness is one dependable way of becoming more present with yourself — and with that comes a greater chance of being more present with others.

Practising mindfulness may well be a way to integrate the functions of the brain and the mind while also enriching relationships.

RESOURCES:
  1. Dan Siegel’s excellent website:  www.drdansiegel.com
  2. The Miracle of Mindfulness: Thich Nhat Hanh.  Practical, profound yet accessible guide to mindfulness practice.
  3. Wherever You Go, There You Are (link to Borders online store): Jon Kabat-Zinn. One of Jon’s excellent books on mindfulness.
  4. Meditation - An In-Depth Guide: Ian Gawler and Paul Bedson - our guide to Mindfulness Based Stillness Meditation. Has accompanying CDs to support your practice.
  5. Residential and non-residential mindfulness and meditation programs : The Gawler Foundation: www.gawler.org

THANK YOU to everyone who has been commenting on the blogs. If you have experiences to share, questions or observations, click on comments.

NEXT BLOG:
Meditation — how much is enough? Plus what meditation I did during my recovery, what I do now, and what experience suggests is recommended for others at different stages of life.

12 comments:

  1.  Anonymous said...
    Succinct, useful and thought provoking. Thanks.

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  2. This is really interesting. Since I began meditating recently, I notice more and more when someone is really with me. This notion of presence helps to understand the difference when you are with someone whose mind is elsewhere. It helps me to want to be more present when I am with my family and friends. Might take a bit of doing I think. Thanks Ian for these helpful hints.

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  3. Really appreciate your review of such important new thoughts.

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  4. Hi Ian
    Thanks for inviting me to post my question on your blog - I hope it might benefit others and I very much welcome your insights.
    As one of your first MS success stories I have managed to keep the condition well under control for over 15 years. After initially suffering a very severe attack and receiving a dismal prognosis I took up meditation and entered a psycho-spiritual path that enabled me to heal much of the self-aggressive behaviour that had contributed to the onset of the disease.
    At the Gawler Foundation I learned that part of recovering from major illness involved cocooning ourselves from difficult relationships - giving ourselves permission to do so as part of our stress management. This was difficult to put into action as it swam against strong urges to please and win a level of acceptance from others that I had not been able to offer myself.
    I am now a practicing Buddhist in the throes of establishing a branch of Shambhala International here in Melbourne - a role that demands life to be lived largely outside of the cocoon. Buddhism has a lot to say on the subject of relationships, psychology and ego. Ironically, the Shambhala word for ego is cocoon! They mean different things but there is some overlap. Cocoon is likened by one teacher to a room where only the tastes, smells, colours, shapes, foods, people, music that we like and want, can enter.
    At Shambhala we talk of emerging from the cocoon - where we generally can have things our own way....to a world where things are seldom the way we want - but we learn to lean into that, into whatever emotion arises - even the ones that are not the colour and taste we like. The art of meditation teaches us to open to whatever arises, drop all judgment of ourselves and others and learn to hold our seat with a gentle fearlessness, in any circumstance.
    In the language of your recent blog - perhaps my mind is somewhat fixated on the term cocoon (rigidity) - perhaps I need to apply the art of concilliance - what a wonderful word - because in the far reaches of my mind, these two cocoons clash a little - which can result in the experience of chaos and or rigidity. Is integration possible here? Or does it exist and I just cannot see it? If mind regulates the flow of energy and information - is it simply a matter of getting the balance right between the two types of cocoon? Or am I lost in the forest?
    And speaking of forests - it's an aptly titled blog - the view from "out (here) on a limb" is somewhat shaky and not a little treacherous!!! I hope others join me!

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  5. Love the clarity in this thinking about the mind. Like we've just woken up to something here.
    So much about the mind being relational that explains what happens to us as we develop habits around our lack of integration.

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  6. Dear Ian,
    welcome to the world of blogging with over 11 million people worldwide using this form of communication it's wonderful to have you on board you will be able to reach literally millions of people. This means lives will be transformed. Much love and blessings Lea rose.

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  7. Thanks Ian for this thought provoking publication. I have spent some time looking at the definition of the mind and the following is where I ended up.

    I recently attended a Zen Buddhist retreat. The Monk looking after the retreat was having a healthy chuckle about the concept of "My enlightenment". Not "mine" in particular but the whole concept that a single "Mind" could get enlightened. I'm still a little confused but I am inclined toward the idea that "my" mind is not a single entity at all but a very small part of something much bigger.
    This ties in with an image that came to me during a meditation at the Gawler foundation about 12 years ago where I found myself walking into a yellow light. As I walked I disappeared into the light and yet I was still conscious of "my self". I was also conscious of all the other "selfs" but we were "all" the same light and there was no way to separate one self from another.
    It seems to me there are "levels" of mind and that the "embodied" mind is a surface layer of something much more profound.
    No doubt a few more retreats will add some clarity. Thanks again for the input. I'm enjoying reading "Out on a Limb".

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  8. Hi Ian

    I am a recent attendee of the MS Retreat program back in August of this year.

    I submit myself as proof that anyone can gain significant improvement - using food as a beneficial "medicine". The key thing is to CHOOSE to do the more beneficial path - rather than the eat everything going approach I was doing.

    I was diagnosed with MS (RR) in August 09. Optic neuritis was the final bit I needed to get a diagnosis. When I was diagnosed I weighed 187.6 kilos. Today I am 114 kilos. I am sure Prof George Jelinek did not set out to find a good weight loss program for people with MS when he wrote his books. :) But I chose to follow his approach 100%.

    I think that if people are choosing to eat food they don't like - they are either very bad cooks - or living in a cave with few choices available. Both amounts to laziness in some form in my opinion. Any food can be made tasty - with a bit of care and some knowledge.

    My diagnosis was the key event in 6 years of trying to find answers and getting none. I admit I was not doing myself any favours. Spiritually and mentally I was just about finished - physically was a whole different problem.

    Having MS has changed my life. But in a more positive way than I could ever have thought was possible. I watched a family member deal with their own 4 year battle - with cancer - just prior to my diagnosis. I saw what can happen when all the bits of the puzzle are not quite there. You can do everything the doctors tell you - and DO to you - and the outcome is far from ideal. They lost their battle 4 months after I started to climb out of the black hole I had put myself in. I understood the price of putting ones faith in only a single methodology - if it does not work - what then?

    I have recently learnt meditation from Paul and I have his CD. It has not yet become a critical thing to do with me - even though I know it works. There are still elements of the "I don't deserve this" going on. I did meditation yesterday whilst having a reflexology treatment - I finally learnt that if I can meditate whilst having my feet messed about with (my singular strong dislike) then I can meditate anywhere - and I KNOW how to do it finally.

    Every one journeys on their path hoping to avoid all the pot holes. I have learnt that I needed the event - to make myself wake up and see what was possible - if I chose to just TRY.

    I don't measure success on big goals now. Success is continuing to try on those days I really don't want to. So far I have not given up. Therefore - for me - success comes everyday. For a person who used to look at life to try and understand the complexities - for me to learn - finally - that life is there to be enjoyed and experienced - to love the fact that I CAN. To care enough about myself and others to acknowledge my choices impinge upon others - emotions - not thinking with my head all the time. If I can learn that in 16 months then anyone can do anything in their own lives - if they first decide to try - and then decide to do the same thing everyday they wake up.

    Life is a great gift Ian. A profound understanding that I did not appreciate prior to this new path on my journey. It is to be lived - not endured. The difference is attitude and the will to change. I appear to have been capable of changing enough to have the chance of enjoying the experience. :)

    Blessings and health to you Ian. Seasons greetings also to you and your loved ones.(how did it become December already?)

    Jeremy Morck

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